father, that cd, i do not think that you will be able to send it to me, you will need to have one of my old “lawyers” send it. i have emailed Gordon many times already telling him that i was not given the cd, and accord to the BOP, they sent it back so he should already know this too. i have even asked him to send me a transcript of the discussion too as he said he could do too, but i have not heard from him on that either… i was really hoping to use that to get a bigger spot light on the those issues, a witness in the case talking about the prosecutors threatening him to a lawyer in the case and no one is moving on it? you are right father, it would make a great movie…
i have wanted to drop this thing (fighting my case) long ago. but there is just something in me that cannot rest. i have only The People now. i can only trust in them. every night i am amazed over everyone talking on the news radio these days; everyone is talking revolution and civil war and LAUGHING at how close we are to it all and wondering when it will all just explode in the feds’ faces…and i am not talking about “shock jocks” or the “callers”, i am talking about money/ finance talk show host amoung others too. on one, an older woman was talking about how funny it all is if it were not from the fact that these lost funds in the market equates to elderly living shorter lives (retirement and pensions funds)… she joked many times about how much information is out there for the world to read about and throw up over, how the “banksters” are getting away with murder (the above remark of the stolen/ lost money in the markets) on top of the thief of billions of dollars, yet, the guy stealing food is thrown in jail…
anyways, those letters i sent to donna and father are going to be there soon, if they were allowed out by SIS here, and as i said they just show more of how the (whole) court was rigged and that they are so ballsy they called a conference for it and they wrote it down on paper how they were take out the defense i was going to use to prove my points in their so called “court of law.” that neither i nor they (our so called defence “lawyers”; there were four present there and in cohouts along with the prsecutors and judge) will be allowed to bring up major points of law during the trial. —-i figured it should be exposed; thats why i sent those copies of those transcrits out a few days ago… i feel that The People should know that they have a government that is not looking out for them and that those of us that are standing up to them are being locked away under the cover of an “open media” and “open government.” you callenge the government using the prescrided laws and rules and RIGHTS, and this is what happens to you. you are locked away for a very long time. you use violence and speak of just a suggestion of violence and you are killed nice and quietly. its enough to make me throw up and laugh at the same time.
i spoken to My Donna about telling those around me to look out for me and have a bag of cat food for me (shrimp favored) for when the shit hits the fan… by the way, are you following the sun spot situation? it is 60,000 miles across and pointed right at us now. COME ON SOLAR FLARE! GIVE US YOUR BEST SHOT! —-its a sad thing though really… so many will die. so many…
i was reminded about my last lawyer’s questions of our country’s situation a just under a couple of years ago, before he called to tell me that he was not going to lose his license over me (he quit my case) ; because of how his brothers and sisters in the court are threatening him over my case because he NEARLY filed my appeal the way i asked him too… i remember telling him i would be amazed if this country lasted a couple of more years… i could not judge his facial expression then, but i guessed that he hoped or thought i was wrong…
yet here i am, there you all are; and the rest are quickly starting to wake up now. i am out of time again… need to get this out before i run out of time… i have given you all so much of my time. please do not tell me that i wasted it all in vain. do something with what i have given you. please. you have a little time left People.
After reading some of the posts concerning me it’s evident there’s a lot of confusion as to my motives. As the previous gentleman correctly stated the taxpayer is paying for me daily ‘three squares and a cot’ for many years to come so it seems only right to share a little about myself.
Concerning what led to my involvement in the standoff in the first place we need to travel back to the summer of 2006. Since graduating from High School I worked throughout NYC and the surrounding area supervising industrial steel painting contractors. After two years though I decided to enroll in college online in order to continue working full-time. By August it became obvious a choice had to be made between work or school so I enrolled in a local community college and quit my job.
Initially engineering seemed like a logical choice to study due to my previous work experience. As an English elective I took journalism. This college course was to change my life. Due to an impassioned teacher a whole world opened up to me. One especially important day was when we were shown Noam Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent.” Government corruption wasn’t new to me (afterall I had been working in NYC) but the idea of exposing it was.
If you remember back in mid-2006 National Guard troops were having their tours extended due to troop shortages. Since my twin brother had served a tour in Iraq the war effort hit close to home. Though it does sound cliche I felt the need to do something for my country instead of just mooch off of it. Believe it was late September when the Army put me in for the ASVAB test.
Even though the score was sufficient for enrollment into any MOS (job) a previous possession of pot charge meant that a security clearance wouldn’t be obtainable. When asked by the recruiter what I wanted to do, without thinking, I blurted out “write.” As you would imagine this left a puzzled look upon his face. To this day writing is still my passion, but as we all know writing is not exactly a viable, or desirable, Army job. Previous research online steered me towards Combat Engineer cause it sounded exciting, plus who doesn’t like to build things? Only problem was the earliest ship date wasn’t until June. Despite the recruiter’s sales pitch that shipping out in December to be a cook or truck driver would yield significant bonuses my mind was made up.
Back at school the journalism professor required everyone to write an article for the school paper, The Compass. The first meeting of the paper I attended was initially nerve wracking because I expected to be a novice among professionals. In reality it was an organizational mess.
During this period significant time was spent researching. Never one to take on a new endeavor with out at least a little background info it was straight to the library to discover what to expect in Iraq and Afghanistan. First a book by a Washington Post correspondent who was stationed in Iraq, “Tell Them I Didn’t Cry.” Next a very good documentary, “Why We Fight,” based on Pres. Eisenhower’s farewell address warning us of the Military-Industrial Complex.
Then one night luck would have it that an 1/8 of magic mushrooms made it into my hands. This was my first and (unfortunately) last experience with this odd drug. Describing it is difficult though imagine leaving your body and looking down upon yourself from about 10 feet up. With complete objectivity I surveyed my life, something that at least for myself is challenging. Why did I say this? Why did I do that? What am I doing?
Of course we all do this daily, but those instances are quite superficial in comparison. At a certain depth we stop, not with shrooms though. While pondering my course in life I picked up my laptop and perused the favorites list.
…perused my favorites list. An entry was there that that to this day I don’t remember adding, it was a documentary by Aaron Russo, “Freedom to Fascism.” For those who are unaware that movie deals with the creation of the Federal Reserve and the legality of the Federal Income Tax.
That whole night was spent researching Russo’s claims. Come morning I stumbled upon a site advertising a protest that coincidentally was later the same day. Apparently NYC police wanted to limit the number of pedestrians and bicyclists that could be in a group absent a protest permit. There was a public comment session about the proposed law which on the spur of the moment I decided to deliver an impromptu speech. Stepping down from the podium a man stopped me and invited me to a meeting of his group, We Are Change, a 9-11 Truth group. These meetings were essential to opening my eyes to that whole issue.
Although by now I had fallen quite far down the rabbit hole there was still more to go. In late December two important things happened. First, the head of the school paper offered me the position of News Editor. At a libertarian meeting on Long Island an NRA representative who was addressing the group had discussed how working through an already established organization is much easier than starting from scratch. His personal example was offering shooting classes within the AARP. Putting that advice to work I decided to radically alter the viewpoint of the Compass. Secondly, for the first time, via MySpace, I learned of Ed and Elaine Brown.
Switching to journalism for the spring semester more and more free time was spent researching just about everything. Long held beliefs were challenged. From 9-11 to Oklahoma City a real education began. Putting the skills obtained in my various journalism classes to work an awful truth was coming to light–government, including our own, was capable of horrendous acts.
In January (2007) I attended my first major anti-war rally in Washington, D.C. That was quite an experience, especially after stumbling upon Students for A Democratic Society (SDS) (a left-wing group from the 60′s that was reformed in the mid-2000′s) as they out-flanked the capitol police several times, making it all the way to the steps of the Capitol Building where they attempted to break through the final line of police (and almost succeeded).
The Compass had been awarded some prize or another by the New York Press Assoc. and was subsequently invited to an award presentation in beautiful Saratoga Springs, NY in February. After attending two days of workshops I headed due east to interview Mr. Brown for the school paper. This was on Feb. 18 and 19 which was documented in detail within the March 7th Compass….perused my favorites list. An entry was there that that to this day I don’t remember adding, it was a documentary by Aaron Russo, “Freedom to Fascism.” For those who are unaware that movie deals with the creation of the Federal Reserve and the legality of the Federal Income Tax.
That whole night was spent researching Russo’s claims. Come morning I stumbled upon a site advertising a protest that coincidentally was later the same day. Apparently NYC police wanted to limit the number of pedestrians and bicyclists that could be in a group absent a protest permit. There was a public comment session about the proposed law which on the spur of the moment I decided to deliver an impromptu speech. Stepping down from the podium a man stopped me and invited me to a meeting of his group, We Are Change, a 9-11 Truth group. These meetings were essential to opening my eyes to that whole issue.
Although by now I had fallen quite far down the rabbit hole there was still more to go. In late December two important things happened. First, the head of the school paper offered me the position of News Editor. At a libertarian meeting on Long Island an NRA representative who was addressing the group had discussed how working through an already established organization is much easier than starting from scratch. His personal example was offering shooting classes within the AARP. Putting that advice to work I decided to radically alter the viewpoint of the Compass. Secondly, for the first time, via MySpace, I learned of Ed and Elaine Brown.
Switching to journalism for the spring semester more and more free time was spent researching just about everything. Long held beliefs were challenged. From 9-11 to Oklahoma City a real education began. Putting the skills obtained in my various journalism classes to work an awful truth was coming to light–government, including our own, was capable of horrendous acts.
In January (2007) I attended my first major anti-war rally in Washington, D.C. That was quite an experience, especially after stumbling upon Students for A Democratic Society (SDS) (a left-wing group from the 60′s that was reformed in the mid-2000′s) as they out-flanked the capitol police several times, making it all the way to the steps of the Capitol Building where they attempted to break through the final line of police (and almost succeeded).
The Compass had been awarded some prize or another by the New York Press Assoc. and was subsequently invited to an award presentation in beautiful Saratoga Springs, NY in February. After attending two days of workshops I headed due east to interview Mr. Brown for the school paper. This was on Feb. 18 and 19 which was documented in detail within the March 7th Compass.
Fast forward to August 27th (the new ship date after the previous one had been delayed), honoring my commitment to join the US Army from back in September, I took the oath to defend the Constitution and soon was halfway across the country in Missouri at Fort Leonard Wood attending boot camp. And as they say the rest is history.
Now this is probably not the most exciting story but it is the truth. Initially I wasn’t going to respond but decided that it is was important to state the facts and let people make up their own mind. Tear this apart if you want, it isn’t hard to find fault with me, after all I have more flaws than a Soviet-era car. However, at the end of the day the only conscience that I must answer to is my own. And in my mind I did the right thing based not only on emotion (though I am passionate about my beliefs) but also on logic. Once you know something is wrong there are only two choices, either you do something or you don’t. Perhaps my solution wasn’t politically correct, though going against the status quo is never considered so.
P.S. MR2008 if you wish to talk I would appreciate hearing from you. My brother is not my keeper and we tend to disagree quite often (surprise, surprise). This forum ( http://www.quatloos.com ) just doesn’t seem the appropriate location to go much further than that though. Take care.
0Posted by Defiant4You on February 28, 2012 at 10:26 pm
My better and best half was handed down 2 Conspiracy counts, in addition of Aiding and Abetting After the fact for 2 reasons pretty much, A) Blogging for an elderly couple (Ed and Elaine Brown) whom questioned the legalities of the Federal Income tax, which prevented a scenario very similar to what unfolded at Ruby Ridge and Waco. B) The CIA, US Marshals and other agencies tried to get him to go back to Iraq and attack/bomb supply lines, when he refuse to participate in such an action, being someone well respected within the Anti War Movement, the US Marshals had their undercover agent constantly call him and threaten him if he did not go along with such an operation, they would raid us, two days or so later, we were raided. I was in the shower when we had all the alphabet boys bust into our home in Alice, Texas on Sept 12th, 2007 . He was given a sentence of 8 years and is currently sitting in Phoenix AZ, FCI. His birthday is soon coming up (March 15th) and would like to floor him with lots of postcards and letters, and am asking you all to make this a reality.
0Posted by Defiant4You on January 28, 2012 at 5:46 pm
CIRINO GONZALEZ on 1/27/2012 9:03:43 AM wrote
rec 01/26/12 1200
this is the ONE. and if you compare the time stamps on it, you will see that i sent it before and i even spoke to my wife about it after i sent this one to you. which is before the emails i sent you and My Donna asking if you had even seen it…
it is Noooooo surprise that it was kept from you, from being posted… remember, the SIS/ BOP are working at keeping my case covered up and buried as best they can, remember i was sent over here to Phoenix because Unit Manager R. put two hits out on me because i was proving that he/ BOP was lying to the Federal Court about my having access to my evidence to my case… which the BOP just dropped the investigation into… this is such a joke. its happening to me and i am still laughing.
—- which is happening over here too; mind you i have STILL NOT been given my copy of the recording of the witness in the case that states to a lawyer that he was threaten to cover up his part and where he discusses other types of prosecutor misconduct on their/ government’s part. this whole thing is rigged to fail now. just watch and see; if you all are too afraid to stand up for what is right.
come on People, we are going to be on the winning side this go’ round.
get these posted too please.
love you all,
gonzalez, cirino
aka reno
CCed to Gordon as well.
—–Hass, Joseph on 1/26/2012 7:46 AM wrote:
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Reno, is this THE e-mail you referred to as asking if I got it? I did get this AFTER the one you just sent of asking if I got it; or is this an after-thought from the first of somehow it dis-appeared, of maybe not sent because it has the “straw” that breaks the camel’s back? For that straw occurs on Tue., Feb. 7th when Bill Gardner, the N.H. Secretary of State has to account to his bosses by HB1169 at 11:30 a.m. in the ED&A Committee at the Legislature/ General Court in Concord for WHY he refuses to render an accounting is to count the # of documents required by the Feds to file those two papers by RSA 123:1 into his RSA Ch. 20:7 Annual Report, BEFORE the Feds get 1-8-17 “Consent” to THEN have jurisdictional authority to have their “other laws” be “controllable” over us, lest he be Article 67 fired by those who elected him to RSA Ch. 93-B faithfully discharge his duties, as the evidence for which the governor was supposed to “protect” you, an Article 12 and 30, inhabitant and citizen, Parts 1+2, N.H. Constitution by his RSA Ch. 92:2 oath of office to Article (41+) 51 execute BOTH the laws of the state AND United States, of BOTH the sword AND the shield of this Article 12 protection, and so not this “or” change of the word “and”! of him to maybe get Art. 40 impeached! See e-mail just sent to Donna who can relay it to you for details of my gripe of non-elected judges here in N.H. as one of ten states whose representation therein has to be reduced by the “shall” word in the 14th Amendment, Section 2, OR start electing judges, of then I can expose the corrupt ones here in BOTH the State AND Federal sittings!! — Joe
CIRINO GONZALEZ on 1/25/2012 5:05:18 PM wrote
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and don’t forget that “they” (the US Marshals, those that are suppose to protect the U.S. Constitution!) STILL DRAGGED ME TO MAINE —-AGAINST MY WILL AND IN VIOLATION OF MY RIGHTS! the system is all rigged people and the feds know it too, that’s why there are people inside the government that were helping me get our messages out there when i was still on the streets… why they are still looking out for me now…
i warned you all, the government is not meant to survive. there are parts of the government that are working to tear its self apart from the inside and directing others from the outside in the same course.
nearly everyone i hear around me knows that the system is falling down and are very scared. and i am not just talking about the inmates.
the best that i can offer is that if you help me, i will speak up for you when i get out for helping me. i do have some pull at this point. worse case, i get killed but you helped to set you and your’s free; that’s the right choice regardless. best case, you have a someone that will ask that you be forgiven for your part in all this and i will stand with you for helping me and mine…
times running out everyone. hope you got your running shoes on…
love you all.
cirino
—–Hass, Joseph on 1/22/2012 1:15 PM wrote:
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Ed & Elaine of I see the Jan. 19, 2012 48-page Order in your case #09-2402 USA v. Elaine and No. 10-1081 of USA v. Ed over at the link provided to us by Donna, from the First Circuit of Lynch, Chief woman judge and Lipez and Thompson, with Leslie Feldman-Rumples for Elaine and Dean Stowers for Ed; and USA by Seth R. Aframe and John P. Kacavas on The Brief, of here’s my reply to only the first 8 of 48 pages, of yet to read pages 9-48, later. — Joe cc: to Dan and Reno.
#194;#183; #194;#183; #194;#183; Share #194;#183; 17 hours ago
Jose Gonzalez Hmmm
This link keeps failing after a few seconds but I can tell by the little I get to read it is just more BS.
Am I correct ?
16 hours ago #194;#183;
Damn VanMeter Well I have only skimmed through it, I have been preparing for this evenings show when I came across it, I will go into it with more greater detail very shortly soon. I will most likely read through it on the air either Tuesday and Thursday.
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Joseph S Haas You’re right Jose of it a bunch of B.S. of from what I’ve read to only page 8 of 48 with these comments that: (1) on page 3 they use the phrase of a “tax obligation”. But in truth as by using New Hampshire R.S.A. Chapter 21:2 here http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/I/21/21-2.htm that according to the definition of the word tax in (Henry Campbell) “Black’s Law Dictionary”, 5th edition, (c)1979 at page 1307 in column #1 of 2, half-way down the page: A tax “in its essential characteristics is not a debt. City of Newark v. Jos. Hollander, Inc. 136 N.J.Eq. 539, 42 A.2dd 872, 875.” thus one owes debts not taxes, as the tax is but a charge. And: (2) to check out that BACKGROUND info of “To put this appeal in context, we BEGIN with another CRIMINAL matter involving the Browns. In April 2006 Edward and Elaine were indicted by a federal grand jury….” (emphasis ADDed, as in a cover-up, of for the real context would have them “begin”ning with NOT in 2006 BUT 2005 with the Browns case #2005-C-033 in Grafton County Superior Court in North Haverhill, N.H. that was illegally removed by their own U.S. Code! 28USC636(c)(1) that requires the “consent” of BOTH parties: plaintiff AND defendant, of this State-Federal Relations in various House Bills this Winter over at the L.O.B./ Legislative Office Building in Concord, N.H. including the one tomorrow on HB1507-L of again this “taxes owed” bullshit! http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2012/HB1507.html of to see my e-mail on this of Friday, January 20th, 2012 @ 11:42 AM that I did send already to Ed & Elaine, plus on the 1-page print-out to present to them with my verbal comments at tomorrow’s Public Hearing on this in Room 301 L.O.B. at 10:50 to 11:35 a.m.) Plus (3) page 6: of what TYPE of duties? by the parenthesis: “Both Edward and Elaine were charged with: (1) conspiracy to prevent federal officers from disCHARGing their (lawful) duties under 18 U.S.C. Section 372;” (emphasis ADDed for when were they “charged” to begin with? To charge is “to entrust with a duty”. And the word entrust defined as: “To commit”, and commit is either: (a) to consign = assign = transfer; or to connect = to join or united, as in the United States of America, but united = brought together how? By Due Process of Law = The Rule of Law as pre-scribed in Article VI, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, in NOT pursuant to, as there is an agreement, but of what TYPE? = a CONDITIONAL “Consent” being an offer un-accepted is NOT Consent! See their own U.S. Attorney Manual 664 http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00664.htm and Judge David Hacket Souter, getting the Brief on this in the co-conspirator case in Boston, but who did put blinders on to that Adams case therein of 1943 from the U.S. Supreme Court! It’s not WHAT as the June 14, 1883 offer is there, but of HOW of to put into effect? by the phrase of “in Pursuance thereof”, with the letter “c” not a t! The 40USC255 to 3112 “head” of “agency” (currently Martha Johnson of the GSA/ General Services Administration, landlord or landlady for her tenants) has to file the papers with Bill Gardner, our N.H. Secretary of State by RSA Ch. 123:1 http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/IX/123/123-1.htm BEFORE ANY U.S. Codes of Civil OR Criminal can be “controllable” OVER us Article 12 inhabitants http://www.nh.gov/constitution/billofrights.html who are supposed to be “protect”ed against such by our governor under his RSA Ch. 92:2 http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/VI/92/92-2.htm duty to Article 51 http://www.nh.gov/constitution/governor.html of to execute the laws of BOTH the U.S. AND the state of the shield AND the sword, and of the latter only WHEN put into effect! As compared to other states, http://www.constitution.org/juris/fjur/1fj-ba.htm like Florida of “Uncle Sam” to have to record his papers with the governor. And (4) page 8: “The court did so by questioning Edward at a pre-trial status conference” (in Portland, Maine). Of this a lie because it was NOT pre or BEFORE the trial, but a preliminary hearing is withIN the trial! and BOTH illegal and un-lawful by 18USC3232 in that they KNEW it too, as Assistant U.S. Attorney Huftalen TRIED to get Cirino to waive his right, that he refused to do, as a supposed guarantee by the Sixth (6th) Amendment in that ALL trials SHALL be held withIN the state AND district of where the offense occurred! Of my bill or charge, i.e. a tax of my travel costs and fees of to, at and from Maine one day at over $500 to Singal through his Clerk ignored and so I’ve complained to Federal Congressman Frank Guinta of Manchester to please look into getting these creeps impeached! Not only this George Z Singal, but our former Attorney General -turned judge of the 1st Circuit, Jeffrey R. Howard, 4th floor of The Warren B. Rudman Block on Pleasant Street in Concord, N.H. to be impeached too! for giving out a share of MY tax-payer money through my employer at work deducted to these border-crossers over the state lines of Maine-New Hampshire at The Somersworth-Berwick Bridge was where this crime by the Feds started.
Section 21:2 Common Usage.
www.gencourt.state.nh.us
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0Posted by Defiant4You on January 26, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Daniel Riley’s brother Bill states he is doing well and fully recovering. This is good news to hear! He is back on the ball and back in the fight. We will not let these attempts hamper our efforts in our quest for truth and freedom of Ed and Elaine Brown supporters.
Thank you everyone whom sent their thoughts and prayers!
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